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Multi-Fandom Fanfiction Poll, cont'd

The Other Multi-Fandom Fanfiction Poll

ETA: For the the question directly below this sentence, if there isn't anything you find irrelevant--and I do mean irrelevant, as in "it doesn't matter at all"--skip it.

Poll #872 How to Choose a Fic, cont'd
Open to: All, results viewable to: All

Check all the things you feel are irrelevant when choosing a fic.

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Genre
26 (36.1%)

Pairing
22 (30.6%)

Character
17 (23.6%)

Author
37 (51.4%)

Kink
18 (25.0%)

Word Count
31 (43.1%)

Rating
35 (48.6%)

Status (completed or WIP)
30 (41.7%)

Grammar/Spelling
20 (27.8%)

Het, Slash, Femmeslash, or Gen?

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Het
56 (65.1%)

Slash
76 (88.4%)

Femmeslash
36 (41.9%)

Gen
58 (67.4%)

Which type(s) of genre(s) do you prefer to read?

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Action/Adventure
54 (62.8%)

Romance
66 (76.7%)

Drama
63 (73.3%)

Hurt/Comfort
57 (66.3%)

Friendship
50 (58.1%)

Mystery/Suspense
42 (48.8%)

Tragedy
16 (18.6%)

PWP (Plot What Plot?)
55 (64.0%)

Fluff
41 (47.7%)

AU (Alternate Universe)
45 (52.3%)

Family
23 (26.7%)

Angst
60 (69.8%)

Humor
57 (66.3%)

Parody
28 (32.6%)

Gen
36 (41.9%)

Will you read a WIP (work in progress)?

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Yes
21 (24.1%)

Maybe. It depends on other factors (author, characters, pairings, word count, rating, kinks, etc.).
38 (43.7%)

Maybe, if it's written well enough.
13 (14.9%)

No
15 (17.2%)

Do you have any favorite fanfic cliches? If so, name them.

Are there any fanfic cliches you refuse to read? If so, name them.

How do you feel about grammar/spelling?

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If it isn't perfect, I won't read it.
13 (15.1%)

It's important, but if the fic is good enough, poor grammar/spelling can be over looked.
68 (79.1%)

As long as major character names, places, etc. aren't misspelled, I'm happy.
4 (4.7%)

It doesn't really matter to me.
1 (1.2%)

Canon or Fanon?

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Canon!
5 (5.9%)

It depends on the fandom, but mostly canon.
27 (31.8%)

It depends on the fandom, but mostly fanon.
7 (8.2%)

Fanon!
0 (0.0%)

Canon and Fanon
46 (54.1%)

Anything else?

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Ummm... I read the first question wrong. I thought it said "which things are relevant". o_o;
If you click on View Answers and then Fill out Poll it will let you change your selections.
Fixed it.
I don't read het, gen, slash, or femmeslash, so I had no idea how to answer that one!

I'm not even sure what "gen" is exactly. I thought it was G rated fic... but now I'm thinking that's wrong since it's on this list. It's not a term used in either of my fandoms.

What I read and write is canon queer pairings. I don't write or read "slash" at all -- by which I mean, pairings created in the fiction, where you "slash" two characters together who were never togther in the source material. It doesn't matter to me if the "slashed" pairings are gay or straight, male or female -- I don't read them.

I only read Queer as Folk, and I'll read any of the canon pairings, which are all same sex pairings.

I only write canon QAF and Xena/Gabrielle from the Xena: Warrior Princess fandom.
I guess I should have used more, um, scientific terms (with the exception of Het, that is, because that one is pretty obvious). You know, male/male pairings instead of "slash" (because, honestly, that's what I thought that meant...), female/female instead of "femmeslash", and actually spelled out gen (as in general).
Gack, I'm so dumb... I always thought "gen" was short for "generation" and meant kids could read it. I have no clue why people let me wander the internets alone. ;)

I don't think there is a clear definition of "slash," it's just not a term I have ever felt comfortable with as regards canon-queer pairings. To me, "slash" is when you create same sex pairings between characters who were not gay together in the source material. Others use it as a term for any same sex pairings whether canonical or not. That just feels wrong to me somehow...
Gack, I'm so dumb... I always thought "gen" was short for "generation" and meant kids could read it. I have no clue why people let me wander the internets alone. ;)

If you want (or haven't already), you can go back and fix (if you feel it needs fixing) your vote(s) in regards to gen stuff (there's a fill out poll option if you click on the poll number...or just, you know, here...).

I don't think there is a clear definition of "slash," it's just not a term I have ever felt comfortable with as regards canon-queer pairings. To me, "slash" is when you create same sex pairings between characters who were not gay together in the source material. Others use it as a term for any same sex pairings whether canonical or not. That just feels wrong to me somehow...

I guess because I usually frequent (ok, I just plain frequent) canonically heterosexual (with a few exceptions, like Dumbledore in HP, and Willow/Tara and Willow/Kennedy in BtVS) fandoms, I just assumed "slash" was some strange slang for "gay". (I remember when I first came to fandom and saw "slash" mentioned. I was like, "WTF? What's slash? Is it, you know, like a slasher flick with the guts and blood and stuff?" lol. I was so naive...)
Okay I fixed my answers... and that being said, I think your first question was poorly worded. None of those things are totally irrelevant to me, but some of them are less important than others; for example, I wouldn't refuse to read a fic because it contains X pairing. So I checked those things.
I guess I just meant to have people check all the ones that don't effect their choosing a fic, one way or the other. So, irrelevant seemed like a good enough word to me... *shrugs*
"It's important, but if the fic is good enough, poor grammar/spelling can be over looked."

Well, kind of. If the fic is good enough, I'll keep reading even though there's the odd grammatical error or spelling mistake. But enough mistakes, and the fic isn't good enough - I might want to keep reading it, but unless I can forcibly correct all the mistakes, I won't.
So true.
I dunno. There's been some fics I've come across that were really good in terms of plotting and characterization and they were truly interesting, but lord, some of the technical errors along the lines of spelling and punctuation and grammar made me twitch. In those cases, I always contacted the authors and let them know just how awesome I thought their fic and premise was, (and if it's meant to be a multiparter, that I'm really looking forward to more) and offering to beta the fic because it really IS good and deserves that kind of polishing and attention so those who are inclined to be more picky about it won't overlook it. Most of the time, authors are more than happy to take me up on it, and I'm happy fixing it up and helping them put together a really great fic that shines.

It doesn't happen all that often, that I find fics like that, but when they're good enough that they deserve to be seen past the writer's limited technical skills, I jump on the chance.
In those cases, I always contacted the authors and let them know just how awesome I thought their fic and premise was, (and if it's meant to be a multiparter, that I'm really looking forward to more) and offering to beta the fic because it really IS good and deserves that kind of polishing and attention so those who are inclined to be more picky about it won't overlook it.

I've done that before--well, not the offering to beta part, but I will point out any errors I find in a given chapter in my reviews so I don't have the responsibility of being a beta in case I'm wrong about a given "correction"...
It depends on the fandom. If it's HP, I'm more into slash and fanon, but if it's Twilight, I'm het and canon.

I'll read WIP if the series is updated relatively frequently - every two weeks to a month. I'm not too picky about grammar, as long as the author uses paragraph breaks, comma splices, spell check.

I've come to loathe AU in HP. What is the point in placing HP characters in a nonmagical world?? Why not pick a different fandom, because magic IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT HP IS ALL ABOUT. OOC bothers me as well. I suppose some people would say this is the point of fanfic, to explore what the books didn't, but to me Draco Malfoy is not a hero. I will never see how Draco/Hermione would ever work.
I don't think AU in HP necessarily means that there's no magic, more that the universe is altered in some way (major or minor)--Harry/Hermione could be considered "AU" because it means the canonical HP universe has been altered. So, really, if you think about, all "fanon" is AU...

I will never see how Draco/Hermione would ever work.

Word.
Oh, I know, and I think it's interesting to think about what direction the series would have taken had Cedric or Sirius or Character X not died, or if Character Y was sorted in another House. But the extreme cases of "AU," e.g., Hogwarts High School in San Diego, CA...why not write about the O.C., if the author SO DESPERATELY wants to put the characters in shorts and flip-flops?? I don't recognize the characters in this so-called HP fic because they're SO out-of-character. Label it some original fic, but don't call it a Harry Potter fanfic because there's nothing even resembling HP-verse anymore.
Yeah, those types are annoying.
First, on wordcount in the other, I didn't answer because you listed it by K, not *wordcount*. Wordcount is the number of WORDS, not the size of the file. It's a very specific thing in publishing. 250 words = (roughly) 1 manuscript page. We then work from workcount to pagination to publishing pagination, to the all-important *paper-cost*. I have no idea how to judge by file size. I can't convert that in my head. In any case, however, wordcount isn't that important, but I do prefer longer stories with a plot -- meaning novelette, novella or novel-length. (E.g., anything over about 17,500 words.)

Second, on genre ... you've mixed and matched publishing genres/subgenres with popular fanfic ones to a point it stopped making sense to me. "Angst" isn't a genre, it's a problem in publishing. ;> AU isn't a GENRE, it's a type of story that can cover several genres. Some AU I'd read ... some I wouldn't. Family is the same. I don't know what that *means*. It's a nonsense genre for me, I'm afraid. I'd suggest narrowing "genre" to recognizable ones from publishing, and then perhaps have a category for "type" -- AU, PWP, het, slash, gen, missing scene ... other things that are somewhat unique to or fanfic-specific terms. :-)
Actually, it was more like 10 K = 10,000 words, not file size. (Look at the sixth definition for K on Merriam-Webster.com).

As for the genres, well, those are a lot of genres I've seen in a few places (namely FanFiction.net, but other fanfiction sites as well).
Unfortunately, "K" is also shorthand for Kb or kilobyte. It's confusing. 10K(b) is different from 10,000. It's further confused because the divisions didn't reflect anything I really recognize from fiction form counts. While there's some argument over lengths (is 50,000 or 60,000 words a novel?), there's some general agreement on flash, drabble, short fiction, novellette, novella, novel, epic novel, etc. Ergo, I assumed your K = Kb, not wordcount because the divisions weren't ones I recognized.

And fanfic.net is, alas, no better with the genres. They confuse type with genre. I can't tell you if I'd read AU -- I might or might not ... it would depend on genre, and characters, perhaps. You could write mystery AU, mainstream AU, or Romance AU. I dislike genre Romance (as in the publishing category) and wouldn't read that, but might read other types. Ergo, I can't meaningfully answer that, I'm afraid. Half the categories you've used there don't break down in ways that could articulate my reading preferences, so I'm not sure my answers are really useful. Fandom sometimes confuses genre with story type to a point it stops making sense to me.
I am in no way meaning to be rude here, but you seem to be the only person who has had a problem with both the way the word counts were presented and the "genres".

For the word count, I really didn't expect anyone to believe that I was referring to file size, as that really isn't the accepted way to count words. And, as I went by chapter and not overall length, the word counts were shorter than 500,000 or 600,000. I'd say that's why you didn't recognize the word counts I used (especially as there was a miscommunication of sorts on the usage of "K" for "thousand").

Also, most people aren't in publishing/professional authors. So, the "genres" our fanfic sites give us are understandable enough to us laymen that they are fairly widely accepted.
I'm also not trying to be rude when I say... I think the wordcount thing was clear as day. As far as the genre issue goes... this is fandom, not a publishing company. We're not perfect, and we're not corporate, and we have grown our own Internet/fandom/etc... language, I guess. I can't concisely name it in a sentence. Let's just say that 'angst' has been a genre since the early days of FF.net...

Not trying to start an argument, just saying.
I am in no way meaning to be rude here, but you seem to be the only person who has had a problem (...)

*raises hand*

The "K" confused me as well because, yeah, I did think you meant the file size.

Similarly, I couldn't even answer the first question because none of the things you mentioned are irrelevant to my choices. "Irrelevant" does not mean "less important than the others", it means "doesn't matter".

In the end, I gave up on taking the polls altogether.

I'm not saying this to bash you or anything, and besides, I know you can't change polls once they're posted. This is not a personal attack. I just wanted to state that it's not just [info]minisinoo or [info]mercurychaos who had problems answering the questions, and that the wording matters and influences the results, so I wouldn't dismiss criticism. I had similar experiences when creating polls -- you forgot X, I was confused by Z, option A doesn't actually belong to category B -- but I try to see them as a learning experience or sometimes swear I'll never make polls again.
The "K" bit with the word counts was an oversight on my part, I will admit that. I'm going to make a note of what I actually meant above the poll.

But as to the irrelevant question, I was actually asking what didn't matter to you at all when choosing a fic. Because, to some, there are things that they don't even consider. I personally don't consider whether or not a fic is completed, thus I checked "Status (WIP or Completed)", but all the others matter to me in some degree or another, so I left those unchecked. I figured there would be people who wouldn't answer that one (and I probably should have compensated for that). The same way there were people who didn't answer the word count one--not because they were confused, but because word count doesn't matter to them at all.

[info]minisinoo and [info]mercurychaos (until you) were the only ones who commented with technical problems with the poll, and even then, only [info]minisinoo was the only one to have a problem with the way I did the word counts. To be fair, I can see how someone could be confused by it. But, honestly, as I told [info]minisinoo, I really didn't expect anyone to believe that I was referring to file size, because, as far as I know, no one judges word count by file size.
I'm probably a horrible person for saying this, but it kills me when I stumble over a story on fanfiction.net that has an incredibly good, even original idea for a plot... but the story is so poorly executed, I find myself wishing "Oh, why couldn't this idea have occurred to [fill in the name of your favorite author] instead of THIS person?"
Not at all. I think everyone has felt that way at one time or another... I know I have.
The only thing that's irrelevant to me when choosing a fic is the writer, though I do look at it and am more likely to read something by someone who's worked I've enjoyed previously, and less likely to read something by someone who's work I didn't much care for.

As for grammar and spelling, I'm not looking for absolute perfection and will overlook the odd typo, but I very easily get annoyed with mistakes, especially if they're very basic English and it's glaringly obvious to a non-native speaker like me.

I read mostly slash, gen, and femmeslash if I can find some nice stuff (atm there's only one pairing I care for), and tend to avoid het. Still, there's one, maybe two pairings I'm slowly getting into.

Though I don't mind a bit of fanon added, I like things to stay canon. I don't read a lot of AU unless it's seriously cracky (I'm in the SGA fandom. There's loads of it. XD) and I'm not usually that interested in fixes and will need a good few other reasons to start reading one.
I rarely read genfic, and I rarely judge a fic on its author. I'm always looking for new stories to enjoy, but reputation matters little to me. Don't get me wrong, I have favorite authors that I shamelessly rec to others, but I don't get myself attached to a single author (I'm in the Kingdom Hearts fandom, so this is practically impossible).

As for Canon versus Fanon, as long as I can somewhat recognize the bits of canon in there, I say stick some fanon in there, too. To me, Canon is a guidebook as opposed to the Bible. ...and I think I've said too much.
I loved the "what's irrelevant" question, because I'm tired of the Grammar Police and of people who won't read something based on author. However, I think the rest is important, especially word count because I don't like 85 chapter-long fics. I think 40 is probably the most I could handle! In fact, I like one-shots!

Poll2!

I didn't answer this one:

How do you feel about grammar/spelling?

I don't need perfection, but I do need "pretty damn good." I can overlook a few scattered errors if the fic is good, but not if it's truly poor throughout, regardless of story quality.

That was interesting. Thanks for asking.
(Coming in late)

I consider word count only in that I don't always have a lot of time available; I like both short fics and long ones, but I'm more often willing to read short ones because I'm not investing several hours into something I'm unsure of the quality of. I can read drabbles on a break at work; I can't enjoy a novel that way.

I don't care much for chapters, though. I want to read them all on one page, regardless of length. I've skipped past chaptered fics that were well-rec'd because they were on websites that make it difficult to open all the chapters at once, because I have dialup internet, and I want to load the story and then get offline to read it.

Author has the same problem as length: limited time. Known authors get preference over unknowns, because I certainly can't read every fic that crosses my f'list. To read an author I don't recognize, I need either a good story summary or a rec (which doesn't have to be a BNF--I'll read fics rec'd by total strangers, if the rec is well-written and intriguing.)

I have genres I like, but none I won't read. But some I'll read without a rec, if the summary sounds good. "Romance" is the only one I can think of that I avoid without a rec (or an author I know I like), because "Mystery" and "Action" (both iffy for me) are rarely identified in summaries.